Hallo,
Anybody versed in german regulations?
Is there an official requirement - "aircraft radio license", to have a radio
in a german registered glider?
Not a "operator permit" but some oficial permit to have a radio
installed....

Thanks.

Andy

Oh yes, there is certainly such a permit.
If your radio is certified, than this permit simply is a matter of filling
out a form, filing ist, pay the fee and then pay the annual fee.
However, there is no requirement to actually have a radio installed,
provided you are not going to fly in (German) controlled airspace.

"Andy Smielkiewicz" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Hallo,
> Anybody versed in german regulations?
> Is there an official requirement - "aircraft radio license", to have a
> radio in a german registered glider?
> Not a "operator permit" but some oficial permit to have a radio
> installed....
>
> Thanks.
>
> Andy
>

Bert Willing wrote:
> Oh yes, there is certainly such a permit.
> If your radio is certified, than this permit simply is a matter of filling
> out a form, filing ist, pay the fee and then pay the annual fee.
> However, there is no requirement to actually have a radio installed,
> provided you are not going to fly in (German) controlled airspace.
>
> "Andy Smielkiewicz" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>Hallo,
>>Anybody versed in german regulations?
>>Is there an official requirement - "aircraft radio license", to have a
>>radio in a german registered glider?
>>Not a "operator permit" but some oficial permit to have a radio
>>installed....
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Andy
>>
>
>
>

Bert Willing wrote:

> Oh yes, there is certainly such a permit.

Actually, no, if you just want to install it but never turn it on.
Doesn't make much sense, but this is what the original poster asked...

If however the radio is going to be used, then it must be certified and
an annual fee must be paid. Of course, the operator must have a radio
operator's license, too.

Stefan

Actually, you're wrong.
From a legal point of view, if it's installed it is supposed to be listed in
the list of equipment ("Ausrüstungsverzeichnis") whether you turn it on or
not. If it's in the list, it needs to be certified and it needs to have the
permit.

However, I know at least one ASW20 where the owner managed to not have it in
the list :-))

"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> Bert Willing wrote:
>
>> Oh yes, there is certainly such a permit.
>
> Actually, no, if you just want to install it but never turn it on. Doesn't
> make much sense, but this is what the original poster asked...
>
> If however the radio is going to be used, then it must be certified and an
> annual fee must be paid. Of course, the operator must have a radio
> operator's license, too.
>
> Stefan

You guys forgot to tell the most important thing: Which authority to
turn to. Have been in this situation recently myself and found out that
such things are nowadays handled by the "Bundesnetzagentur":
http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de

Write a mail to a woman called Ute Booten (adress is
)
and explain your situation. She will help you quickly and efficiently
(which otherwise is not what german authorities are known for, but
she's the exception that proves the rule).

Bert Willing wrote:

> Actually, you're wrong.
> From a legal point of view, if it's installed it is supposed to be listed in
> the list of equipment ("Ausrüstungsverzeichnis") whether you turn it on or
> not.

Hmm. We could now continue to discuss whether a piece of silicon which
is never to be turned on is part of the equipment or not. (Frankly, I
don't know.) Of course, for all practical purposes, this question is
irrelevant.

Stefan